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Message envoyé à02/15/2006, 20:03:33 PM par Sdphoto |
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I don't like the idea that my images would be locked up for a year (beginning March 15), period. I have work on other sites and have chosen not to be exclusive to them, but at least it's a choice I've been able to make. By tying up my images you are essentially tying my hands should I want to make a different choice at a later time. Nobody has been forcing me to stay with Dreamstime, but unfortunately I am afraid that Dreamstime is well on it's way to forcing my departure. |
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Message envoyé à02/15/2006, 20:15:41 PM par Sugarfoot |
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What would happen if we sold the same photo on another site where the purchaser request total rights to that picture, but we are locked in here until Mar 2007 and can't delete it? and have no choice?
I must be having a "seniors" night, I don't seem to understand much tonight.
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Message modifié à 02/15/2006, 20:37:43 PM par Beckyabell |
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I think you guys are misunderstanding.....from what I understood they only ones that would be "locked up" are images you sold the rights to. reread the new terms....they seem pretty cool to me. |
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Message envoyé à02/15/2006, 21:29:49 PM par Sophieso |
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Hey, Sugar, we all have those moments, senior or not:-) The new site is so dynamic and there are so many exciting changes, don't feel that's you're not understanding everything. There is no rush. Take your time to read everything, cruise the fabulous new site, and know that you are being given plenty of time to think things over and make the best choice for you. I think once you take it all in and have some time to think about it, you'll see that Dreamstime most generous in what they are offering their members, and that you can always trust them to work hard for you and be fair.
Steven, it is always difficult when new changes come. A lot is changing in the microstock industry. The new terms and conditions are designed so that administration can do the best possible job for you, not tie your hands. Did you get a chance to see the new site before it was taken down for debugging? If not, I think you will see many surprises that you'll like a lot.
A very important point to understand about the new terms and conditions is that you are not required to be exclusive. It is required that you keep your images here for 12 months so that Dreamstime can promote your work and know that it will still be on the site. If you chose to be exclusive, you will receive even more benefits. Dreamstimes is inviting you to become exclusive, not demanding it. Dreamstime is motivating its members and offering them incentives, but Dreamstime will not take away your choices.
I would also like to get a little personal, if I may. I have only been a site administrator for a short time, but I have been overwhelmed by how truly concerned this administration is about the well-being of their members. The administrators of this site have an old fashioned thing called character. Dreamstime must stay competitive, but they do it with integrity and respect for the people who trust them with their work. We have been given an entire month to ask questions and become familiar with all that is being offered by the site, and there is no rush to do anything you're not comfortable doing.
Thank you for speaking your mind and voicing your concerns. You brought up a valuable point that can easily be misunderstood, and it is important that everybody has the time and opportunity to understand their options and opportunities. |
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Message envoyé à02/15/2006, 21:30:37 PM par Sophieso |
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| Envoyé originalement par Beckyabell: |
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| Message quoté: I think you guys are misunderstanding.....from what I understood they only ones that would be "locked up" are images you sold the rights to. reread the new terms....they seem pretty cool to me. |
Wow, Becky. You just said in a few sentences what it took me a whole page to say:-) |
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Message envoyé à02/15/2006, 22:13:43 PM par Dennist1 |
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Posted by Achillies - "When these new prices and commission fees will be in place, we will introduce the need to keep a file up for at least 12 months since the acceptance date. This will allow us to promote these images and enough time to reach our markets."
(Nothing mentioned about selling rights or contest only)
I, too, have concerns with this new rule. I have shyed away from other sites because of similiar rules, and avoided promotions on still others for the same reason.
It concerns me first of all in case of an exclusive buyout opportunity somewhere else. Second concern is in the case of a serious disagreement with management. Another site has come up with a warning system, whereby excessive rejections can result in termination of upload privileges. I am ok with that; however if they were to terminate my upload privileges I will most certainly terminate my entire account. If I had agreed to a 12 month term, they could essentially hold my images 'hostage'. I do have to say I would be more comfortable here with such a rule than most any other site; but still dont like it as a matter of principal.
On the other hand, I can fully understand DT's (my guess at) reasoning. First of all, they have time/money invested in reviewing, marketing, etc. Also, the scenario where a customer looks at an image, maybe gets a Comp copy, sells the design and then the image is not available to purchase. That is two arguments for the rule that I can think of, DT may certainly have others.
In short, I can understand both sides of this issue. Perhaps a very limited number could be deleted from one's account per some time frame; and/or a one time option to close account.
Although I am uneasy about this idea, I am planning to continue on. DT is giving us several new, great things to work with. I can swallow this one for them in return.
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Message envoyé à02/15/2006, 23:17:11 PM par Sophieso |
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Dennist, it's good to see you thinking things through and working out your concerns. Dreamstime would never hold your images hostage, and I sincerely doubt you'd have a serious disagreement with administration. You have a good attitude and state your concerns with courtesy.
I'm sure your suggestions will be considered. Thank you for your trust and the kind words. |
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Message envoyé à02/15/2006, 23:52:14 PM par Sdphoto |
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Even though I'm holding out hope that the year requirement will somehow be modified I have chosen to disable all my files. My personal decision is based solely on my desire to keep my options as flexible as possible regarding my choices to license my images. I do wish dreamstime and it's community all the best in the coming years. |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 00:05:26 AM par Narcisa |
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you are right to be concerned - I thought the 1 year period was only for assignment images |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 00:20:50 AM par Beckyabell |
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[quote]Even though I'm holding out hope that the year requirement will somehow be modified I have chosen to disable all my files. My personal decision is based solely on my desire to keep my options as flexible as possible regarding my choices to license my images. I do wish dreamstime and it's community all the best in the coming years.[/quote
that was a little extereme.....poor guy.... he should have reread. :(( |
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Message modifié à 02/16/2006, 00:23:06 AM par Beckyabell |
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Message quoté: [quote]Even though I'm holding out hope that the year requirement will somehow be modified I have chosen to disable all my files. My personal decision is based solely on my desire to keep my options as flexible as possible regarding my choices to license my images. I do wish dreamstime and it's community all the best in the coming years.[/quote
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that was a little extreme.....poor guy.... he should have reread. |
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Message modifié à 02/16/2006, 00:38:00 AM par Beckyabell |
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Dreamstime is not forcing us into anything ugly.... this is copied and pasted from the terms that achilles posted.... it is OUR choice if we want to sell the rights or make our image exclusive... otherwise business goes on as normal...kinda like if you entered an image in one of our assignments now.
Entering the world of Rights Managed, two new licenses will be available for our photo buyers after the middle of March.
A photographer can choose to provide these new licenses or keep just the regular Royalty Free license. They will have control at any time about enabling an extra license or disabling it.
SR license – sell the rights
Introduced by our assignments, the SR license has no new terms for photographers as it is for our designers.
Designers will be able to acquire exclusive rights over an image on an undetermined time interval. The contract will bound the photographer to disable the image and our database will stop publishing it immediately after the designer has selected it.
Proper usage requests as well as all needed terms will be mentioned in the contract. The designer will use the image exclusively with just a few restrictions: the image usage has to be according to our terms about sensitive subjects, they cannot resell the image nor claim it was created by them.
The prices for this unique feature are yet to be announced. Their range will vary between hundreds and thousands of dollars in order to compensate its absence from photographer's portfolio and the site's database and will correlate image sales, photographer's popularity and other factors. |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 00:47:36 AM par Jsnover |
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I have read these posts and the original post by Achilles, and I'm not sure if I understand the situation correctly.
What I think I read was that all uploads after March 15th will require a commitment to keep the images up for 1 year. The following from Achilles' post seems to general and not restricted to exclusive content:
"When these new prices and commission fees will be in place, we will introduce the need to keep a file up for at least 12 months since the acceptance date. This will allow us to promote these images and enough time to reach our markets."
If my understanding is correct, that's a big problem for me.
I've been with Dreamstime for almost 18 months, and I would plan to stay here for the forseeable future. However, as everyone is aware, there are a lot of changes afoot for those of us who contribute to multiple sites.
I may not be the only one who would consider stopping uploading, at least for a while, if it meant a 12 month commitment. This is the second time Dreamstime has proposed requiring a commitment like this - and last time they agreed to drop it after a howl of protest from contributors.
What happens to images uploaded prior to March 15th - are we still free to delete those at any time?
I don't want to leave this site, but I can't accept a 12-month commitment. |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 01:22:19 AM par Imagecd.co.uk |
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Just read all these posts
Really need to know if the 1 year rule applies to images uploaded prior to 15th march.
Not uploading anything else until I know & if it's the case I will remove all my images, don't want to do that as I've taken the suggestions etc for rejected images & have a whole load ready to upload. Also I've just been taken on by a "royalty free" library that pays a lot more than DT, I'm not complaining about what I make with DT I'd like to keep going but to make things so restrictive is not good. Please re-think the 1 year or at least clarify it, thanks. |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 01:31:31 AM par Sophieso |
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Jo Ann, you have been with Dreamstime since 2004, and I would assume that a lot of your images on the site have been here since you joined. Would a 12 month commitment be any different from what you are already doing?
It's important that everybody understand this is not necessarily a 12 month exclusive commitment. If a member does decide to become exclusive, then there are extra payments. However, there is no inconvenience or penalty if you decide to be non-exclusive, just that the image remain here for 12 months once it has been uploaded.
You're very right in saying that there are changes in the industry. Dreamstime wishes to stay competitive so our members can continue to get the best pay for their best work, and rewarding those who choose to be exclusive is only fair. It is also fair to ask for a commitment from the members that Dreamstime works very hard to promote. The commission Dreamstime pays their members is extremely generous, the best in the industry. Administration wishes to continue to take care of their members in this way, and to do so requires that there be some changes. |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 01:34:30 AM par Sophieso |
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Message quoté: Just read all these posts
Really need to know if the 1 year rule applies to images uploaded prior to 15th march.
Not uploading anything else until I know & if it's the case I will remove all my images, don't want to do that as I've taken the suggestions etc for rejected images & have a whole load ready to upload. Also I've just been taken on by a "royalty free" library that pays a lot more than DT, I'm not complaining about what I make with DT I'd like to keep going but to make things so restrictive is not good. Please re-think the 1 year or at least clarify it, thanks. |
Achilles and the rest of the design team have been working around the clock on the new site. We have a lot of time before March 15, and I'm sure Achilles will answer all questions that are asked. |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 02:21:17 AM par Ghubonamin |
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So picturers uploaded prior the 15th of March 2006 can be deleted by the contributor anytime - right?
Pictures uploaded after the 15th of March 2006 has to stay at least one year in the libary before i can delete it - right? |
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Message envoyé à02/16/2006, 03:13:37 AM par Has1sue |
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Hmmmmm *watches space with interest* rather inportant that this gets clarified
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Message modifié à 02/16/2006, 04:38:57 AM par Achilles - membre-administrateur |
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The 12 months clause will apply to all new submissions AFTER the new prices will be in place. Remember that the new prices will almost double your monthly earnings on Dreamstime.
It will not apply to any submissions you make now or that you will make until then. It will refer ONLY to the ones submitted AFTER March 15 (or later as we don't have an exact date yet) and to ALL submissions.
We have been confronted with LOTS of users that uploaded a couple of images, left them up for 3 days then disabled them. Perhaps they were expecting to make $100 over night or were upset by our selection criteria. We have been in the position of having assignment images kept up while they got exposure on the homepage just to be disabled after a new assignment was in place. Other users disabled/enabled the files for several times at a few days distance causing confusion and instability.
These situations caused our site image problems with designers that were looking for those very images but two days later cannot find them.
Submissions got indexed in search engines while the designers reached a "404 not found" page a few days later.
We also need enough time to promote the images through our channels. We cannot invest so many efforts, budgets and time just to see the photo removed. It was not a high scale phenomenon, but when you have 250,000 images in the database, a few tens or hundreds can cause trouble for designers. They usually come back for the image when the deadline is tight, you all know how dynamic design industry is.
The strategies we will promote need this effort from the community. So many users here have been with us for more than one year and they've seen our growth, so we are not asking you to trust us blindly.
This is part of our strategy, we have strong promotion going in the following months and the high increase in sales that you just noticed is only the beginning. It's not an accident that the announcement is titled "Be a Part of Our Great Journey".
We are aware that this requires commitment from the photographers. We do value that and need that. We ask for your help to move this community further to the top. It's not something we enforce, it's something we want you to participate freely, this is why we announced it so many days in advance. To have plenty of time to hear your thoughts and to adjust the terms so they best fit your needs.
For some packages, we give a 100% comission fee to photographers. The agency's share if you combine all packages is less than 27% (See detailed table below).
Think about the currrent subscription plan. It gives ALL payment to the photographer.
To this policy there are exceptions to be applied. If someone will buy full rights from you, then the file can be disabled at any time. If you have other issues about it, the file can be disabled at any time. This cannot apply on a portfolio-scale though.
The old members will remember that we wanted to include this requirement almost 2 years ago. At that stage we were only few months old and we have decided to listen to our members' request and to delay this until the site proves as successful. It did that, now it's our members' turn to give something back.
We will hear all your opinions and will take all of them into account. We will make sure that the terms are clear and that special cases (such as selling the rights to another client) will be included.
OLD PRICES
photographer share - 50% - 1st package
photographer share - 60% - 2nd package
photographer share - 65% - 3rd package
Comission fee average
58.3% goes to the photographer
41.7% goes to the agency
NEW PRICES
photographer share - 62.5% - 1st package
photographer share - 65% - 2nd package
photographer share - 67.5% - 3rd package
photographer share - 100% - subscription plan
Comission fee average
73.75% goes to the photographer
26.25% goes to the agency
As you can easily see, our agency's share is almost half than for the old prices. As the price per credit is also less than double, it means that we have no significant profit from these changes. We see this as an investment in our photographers. |
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Message modifié à 02/16/2006, 04:41:01 AM par Nikitu - membre-administrateur |
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Message quoté: So picturers uploaded prior the 15th of March 2006 can be deleted by the contributor anytime - right?
Pictures uploaded after the 15th of March 2006 has to stay at least one year in the libary before i can delete it - right? |
Indeed, you are correct about this.
ATTENTION, this doesn't mean exclusivity! If you happen to sell one of the images uploaded after march 15th exclusively you will be able to write to us and it shall be disabled from the database.
This is, as Achilles pointed out, a way of avoiding photographers who upload images, get through review and disable them after a month or even after a few days.
By this clause you are only required to keep and image to the site for 12 months, I am sure most of you who joined us more then a year ago disabled very few of the images they had online then.
This is a way of saying "help us to help you".
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